Limited uploads per day

It's not in planned features I think, so I would recomend to limit uploads per day for example to 50 (30, 60...). And I mean not just NSFW but all together. Is that possible in the near future? Or is it just me who is annoyed with mass-uploading users?? It's really boring to see tens to hundreds of same style wallpapers uploaded in a short time period from one user. Thx

It's already planned. We're still working out which limits to apply to what.

If you're interested, the original proposal was a per-user, per-day limit of 100 SFW, 50 Sketchy and 25 NSFW uploads (not perfect, but we've not tried out anything yet). Now, though, we're talking about this kind of limit being for certain types of content in sets instead (vehicles/hardware, glamour/porn shoots and so on).

It would be interesting to see how users feel about all this so do give your two cents.

Thanx for answer Gandalf. This feature with a combination of minimum tags could easily avoid this kind of uploaders and those who just want to dump their stuff here (without a need to ban them from uploading). I wish you a success especially with these two features, hope it will work soon.

Added 2015-07-06 20:49:15

cfunk: I thought about a numbers of per-user uploads and I would recomend 50 SFW and 50 Sketchy/(or)NSFW combination uploads in 24 hours. So all together 100 uploads per day. Is it enough for one user with a proper tagging, isn't it? :-)

cfunk said:

Now, though, we're talking about this kind of limit being for certain types of content in sets instead (vehicles/hardware, glamour/porn shoots and so on).

Qualitative restrictions are one thing, I'm all for it, but quantitative restrictions only encourage multi accounts (especially if you introduce achievements, been there, seen it) and would limit the variety of wallpapers to choose from. If you want to avoid repetitiveness make further restrictions on how much of the same thing can be uploaded, without applying that restriction to an entire category (so maybe I don't want to look at the same car in a 100 different angles, but I'd very much like to be able to find all sorts of cars).

Of course these are just my 2 cents. :)

That's a good point. We're absolutely not adding achievements, so that won't be a problem. If uploaders tag responsibly, per-set limits rather than total uploads per day might be better.

Wanted to know the opinion of users here, as to what they think constitutes a set.

For example, this user uploaded 80+ images of the same model, most of them non-NSFW, in 30 minutes. They are not from the same photo-shoot, but of the same model. They have the same effect, though, as in they fill up the latest page and make it monotonous, rather than varied. This is more of a problem with uploads in the People category, than in General.

Should we include the definition of a "set" to be pics of the same person posted in one go, as opposed to pics of the same person from the same photo-shoot? What do you guys think?

P.S.: Please don't spam the user's profile. I am just using his uploads as an example.

lezboyd said:

Wanted to know the opinion of users here, as to what they think constitutes a set. Should we include the definition of a "set" to be pics of the same person posted in one go, as opposed to pics of the same person from the same photo-shoot? What do you guys think?

+1 from me.

lezboyd said:

Should we include the definition of a "set" to be pics of the same person posted in one go, as opposed to pics of the same person from the same photo-shoot? What do you guys think?

If it's a photo set of a person (glam shots for example), different attire, poses, locations and what not make all the difference, so they can be easily defined as separate sets, so here I'd say a single photo-shoot constitutes as a set. The keyword here is circumstance.

However, if we consider an object (a car for example) of the same model and same color, I think they can be considered identical, thus belonging to a single "set". The keyword here is appearance.

2667 x 13600

2249 x 12653

2667 x 13601

2250 x 12642

These are four pictures of the very same car uploaded in one go, they are in near identical angles, and despite the different backgrounds, I would call them identical, so I really consider them four pictures of the same set. If the second and fourth pictures would not only have a different background, but would also show the same car model with a different paintjob/rims whatever, I would consider them two separate sets.

@1355970 . In that case, there will be a greater need to have a limit on uploads per day in conjunction with set-based limits, to cover cases where users would otherwise upload tens of sets of vehicles/people/tech in one go. Say we assign a limit of 15 per set for all sets (currently, applicable for NSFW sets only), and someone uploads 20 sets of cars. The numbers add up quickly.

And why is that bad, if it promotes variety? From a user standpoint, if you allow fewer uploads, I get less results for my searches, a lot less.

If there are unlimited uploads, and rules specifically limiting sets, I not only get a lot more search results, there's also variety, which is an ideal situation.

If by 'rules specifically limiting sets', you mean limitations on how many sets per day, then I might agree. Else, no.

I would tend to agree with @1355970 on this. The four pictures he put up I only actually see two pictures there worth being wallpapers 2 and 4. The other two I would say are junk walls kinda either computer enhanced prototype pictures or otherwise promotional pictures. I see them such as most people see red carpet photos.

I would say that limiting "set" walls is a bit too far. And limiting by category is also a bit far. I would put my two cents in here and say that starting out you get 100 uploads a day and leave it at that. You can have if you want to give those that follow rules and are more likely to be diverse in their uploads give them 200 a day if you can be assured that they will fill the community with at close to quality walls as they can. But I wouldn't do anymore then that if limit is what you want to put on people. most people won't even come close to 100 walls a day. (with a few exceptions)

The other two I would say are junk walls kinda either computer enhanced prototype pictures or otherwise promotional pictures. I see them such as most people see red carpet photos.

I tend to agree with you here, not that they should be banned like red carpet shots, but that these promo/prototype shots are available in bulk at fan forums, not only for cars, but also for tech gadgets, military hardware, planes, boats, heavy vehicles, etc. The same vehicle/hardware is shot from multiple, near identical angles (left/left-front/left-back/left-low-angle/left-high-angle, and so on), which waters down its impact.

Same is true for people-sets other than nude sets, as in they are available in bulk at fan forums. Like, K-pop stars, for example.

This is what brings forth the need for defining set limits, and an overall upload limit. True, the more uploads there are, the more variety we get and the more search results we get, but there is also a need to balance quantitative variety with qualitative variety. I mean, whats the use of the same car's dashboard showing up from 3 different angles and distances, or 12 to 15 shots from the same car exterior from similar angles? It would be better in terms of variety to have smaller sets of multiple cars than a huge redundant set of the same car. Same goes for all other cases, like hardware, tech, planes, etc.

I am not for apply daily limits by purity/category, though. Some are NSFW enthusiasts, some are car/vehicles enthusiasts, some landscape, some anime and some celebrity. Purity/Category are attributes applied to uploads for easy searchability, and should be left at that.

lezboyd said:

[...] these promo/prototype shots are available in bulk at fan forums, not only for cars, but also for tech gadgets, military hardware, planes, boats, heavy vehicles, etc.

And I'd like to have them all here. Might as well just use google image search instead of wallhaven if wallhaven doesn't have what I'm looking for, because I don't know any of these particular sites you talk about where I could get these pictures, and I'd much rather be the member of one single community where I have all the pictures, than register to a dozen other sites by theme.

lezboyd said:

Same is true for people-sets other than nude sets, as in they are available in bulk at fan forums. Like, K-pop stars, for example.

Nudes are all available in bulk as well. If those are your favorites, fine, but respect that different people have different tastes and priorities.

lezboyd said:

This is what brings forth the need for defining set limits, and an overall upload limit. [...] I mean, whats the use of the same car's dashboard showing up from 3 different angles and distances, or 12 to 15 shots from the same car exterior from similar angles?

None at all, whatsoever, but if you have an overall upload limit and some guy decides to use his limit to upload only 3 car interiors 12 to 15 shots at the same time, I could wait for that particular car interior I'm looking for to be uploaded until hell freezes over. (See idea below to address this issue.)

lezboyd said:

I am not for apply daily limits by purity/category, though. Some are NSFW enthusiasts, some are car/vehicles enthusiasts, some landscape, some anime and some celebrity. Purity/Category are attributes applied to uploads for easy searchability, and should be left at that.

Absolutely agree.

IDEA

Being demand agnostic is never a good idea. A user could upload a hundred pictures a day, and maybe 80 percent of them won't even reach 100 views, ever (unless the uploader doesn't care about that, and only wants a personal collection, which is fine). So maybe you need a system through which you can make uploaders aware what content viewers want to see.

Solution?

A reward point system (bear with me, read first).

Users get an amount of points for their daily log in. Users can collect these points until they reach a cap you decide on. Whenever someone uploads a picture they spend a point. And here comes the best part: there could be a request system (a special forum section if you will) where one user offers an amount of points for a (set of) picture(s) s/he wants to see, maybe even specify the minimum resolution. Other users could pitch in and allocate some of their own points to increase the reward for this request.

Each request would have an ID. The upload section would have an optional ID field where uploaders could type in what request they upload the picture for. The wallpaper thumbnail would appear in a subsequent post in the request's thread, where the user who made a request would pick which uploader best fulfilled the requests, and this uploader gets the points which he can use to upload more pictures.

If no uploads were coming for a request for 1 week, the request starter could decide whether to wait, or close the request, and all points are refunded. If there has been an upload or even several uploads, but the request starter didn't pick a "winner" for quite some time, a staff member could review the request, either closing it and refunding the offered points, or picking an uploader to give the offered points to if s/he seems to have properly fulfilled the request. (If none of your staff members want to deal with managing requests, I volunteer, it was my idea after all.)

Advantages:

• points get rid of the need for too specific limitations, and the headache to come up with multi-tier limitations (you don't need a daily cap because points will do that for you, you will basically only need the current 15/set maximum rule)
• uploaders are encouraged to spend their limited points on uploading pictures viewers actually want to see, because that will potentially earn them even more points
• the site will be filled with pictures viewers actually want to see

some half good suggestions in here.

the trouble with specifying a limit will be in making sure it isnt too restrictive, but isnt to relaxed if you are looking at this kind of system, hmm, there are a couple of solutions, but they each have their own good and bad points

@1355970

I am not against nor am I dissing any type of content being uploaded to the website. What I am against nor care for is bulk uploading of the same content to an extent where it dilutes the impact of that type of content. This is a wallpaper site, not an image dump. We are not imgur or pinterest. I do not care for the same car/plane/boat/people/tech shot 30 different ways and uploaded here. And I am sure I am not the only one.

Honestly, I think you are making a bigger deal of set limits than it really is. The discussion is aimed at finding means of stopping dilution of content types through bulk uploads and giving everyone's uploads a chance to get noticed. Nothing more.

I understand why the limiting of uploads and I think that is good idea. Honestly I could upload like 1,000 walls a day if I wanted to... but most people wont even come close to 100 per day. Those that do if are found to upload only quality and variety then could be granted special wavier to the 100 per day upload. or whatever. But I find that more then not this won't be needed.

Also having a reward system just puts people into a kind of hierarchy. It then will become less about walls and more about points for some people. Not saying that it can't work but as in seeing my fair share of forums and such with point systems in place. I tends to be the case.

As far as what anyone would consider a wall or a quality wall I think everyone has their opinion about that. But for arguments sake lets take the car example. If the same car is uploaded here and its doing a 360 degree view in 5 degree increments I think that is a bit excessive to say the least. And on that same note to see every single car in the world against a white background. I don't think there is a need for that even though everyone will have a like for a different car. I would rather see the car in a field or on a road. Now if the the same 360 viewing was done NOT against a white background I think I would be way more accepting to something like that. But then again it goes the same for NSFW walls of models in a shoot. 200 pictures and half of them only her arm or legs was moved two inches to the left. I think that is also excessive.

Which is where I like your request idea. And I think that requesting walls could be the place to share those and NOT upload the whole set to the site and just post those pictures in the thread that it was requested in. Not saying that you couldn't pick your favorites and post maybe like ten to the site and then save the other 190 to post in the request thread if the want for the would come about.

lezboyd said:

What I am against nor care for is bulk uploading of the same content to an extent where it dilutes the impact of that type of content.

As am I, I think I made it quite clear already, that I promote variety.

200 pictures of 50 different cars (flowers etc.) is not the same content. 200 pictures of 50 different cars (flowers etc.) aren't bulk uploads, they aren't repetitive, unless you don't see a difference between a Volkswagen Tuareg (a sunflower) and a Lada Niva (a daisy). 200 pictures of 50 different cars (flowers etc.) don't dilute anything, and I don't see how a broader selection of not the same, but different vehicles (flowers etc.) would have a negative impact if a vehicle enthusiast (nature lover etc.) is looking for them.

(However once models are nude, it really doesn't matter, Ariel Piper Fawn's crotch across 20 sets is still Ariel Piper Fawn's crotch, so THERE it DOES dilute the content, maybe that's why additional NSFW limits are present.)

200 pictures of 50 different models of cars/tech/people is not bulk uploads. That averages to 4 pics per car, and I would actually welcome those kinda uploads. I would actually lean towards allowing 6-7 shots of the same car so the various angles (front/back/left/right/top) and a couple of interior shots are adequately represented. What I would not care about is 20-30 shots of the same car in a single set, with macro closeups of car steering and dashboard and comm and wheels and what not.

Take this user's upload, for example: hugokrone. How is his car set not different from a porn shoot, where you see the same model from different angles and then macro shots of her body parts, and the same body part (dashboard/interior/wheels) shot from multiple angles and distance? Do this for 50 cars and shit gets old. It leads to dilution of content, and that's why set limits and upload limits are required, so that there is variety that does not overwhelm.

An ideal uploader would self-govern his uploads such that he maintains variety within his content of interest and makes way for others to express themselves equally. He would not overwhelm the site with his and only his uploads, nor use the site as an image dump for his interests. But this is the real world, and hence sensible limits are required as an attempt to make the uploader choose his content more wisely and maintain variety at the same time.

My definition of variety, though, extends beyond a single content type to across different content types. So if you are telling me allow 200 shots of 50 different cars to be uploaded in one go, I would not agree easily. A responsible enthusiast would not mind uploading 50 in one go and then sharing space to other content types. Is it really a big deal f he has to upload his content of interest across 4 days? Does it have to be in one go?